FAQ re. New York and Nostradamus
FAQ by the Nostradamus Research-Group about New York and Nostradamus
Q. Did Nostradamus predict the recent attack on New York City?
A. No. He never mentions New York City at all. Nor 'York', for that
matter.
Q. But he mentions America, surely?
A. Only once -- at quatrain X.66, which you can check for yourself on
the websites listed below. Apart from that, he himself insists in his
covering letter to King Henri II that his prophecies are mainly about
Europe, North Africa and Asia Minor. Only two other of his place-names
fall outside that area.
Q. But what about the famous 'Fire from the sky hitting the New City
at 45 degrees' prediction at VI.97?
A. New York City is not at 45 degrees latitude (it's all of 300 miles
to the south), and the New City (as ever in Nostradamus) is
Villeneuve-sur-Lot in France ('Villeneuve', like 'Naples', *means*
'new city') -- which IS roughly at 45 degrees.
Q. But couldn't Nostradamus's 'Five and forty' mean mean '40.5'?
A. No. The decimal place system had not yet been invented in
Nostradamus's day. It was simply a perfectly ordinary way of saying
'45'.
Q. But what about all the Nostradamus quatrains that people keep
posting here?
A. Virtually all of them are either
(a) badly corrupt, and deliberately twisted to fit the events
(b) hopeless mistranslations, deliberately twisted to fit the
events, or
(c) pure inventions, and not by Nostradamus at all.
Q. What about "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two
brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great
leader will succumb", "The third big war will begin when the big city
is burning" - Nostradamus 1654." ?
A. None of this was written by Nostradamus -- and he would have been
... er... 150 years old in 1654! If you doubt it, ask whoever
sent it to you for the verse-number and/or the original French.
Q. What about "In the year of the new century and nine months, from the
sky will come a great king of terror...the sky will burn at 45
degrees. Fire approaches the great new city...In the city of York
there will be great collapse, twin brothers. Torn apart by chaos while
the fortresses fall, the great leader will succumb; the third big war
will come when the big city is burning."
A. It's a garbled mixture of carefully selected lines from two
different Nostradamus quatrains (X.72, which in the original doesn't
even mention a 'King of Terror' -- see third website listed below --
and is about *1999* [!!]; and VI.79, whose 'new city' on 45 degrees is
Villeneuve in SW France, not New York, which is on 40 degrees 40
minutes) plus a bunch of other lines that are not by Nostradamus at
all.
Anybody can garble quotations like that -- even with the Bible...
Er... "And he went and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5). Go, and do thou
likewise (Luke 10:37)."
Q. How about: "Earth-shaking fire from the center of the earth.
Will cause the towers around the New City to shake,
Two great rocks for a long time will make war,
And then Arethusa will color a new river red. "
A. A more reliable (and artistic) translation of I.87 (which doesn't
mention towers at all) would read:
Earth-shaking fires from the world's centre roar:
About Villeneuve* the earth shall be a-quiver.
Two leaders long shall wage a fruitless war,
Till Arethusa reddens a new river.
* = 'New City
Line 3 is in fact based on a French expression ('faire la guerre aux
rochers' -- 'to make war on the rocks') which in fact means 'to
struggle fruitlessly'. 'Deux grands' means 'two nobles'.
No obvious connection with New York!
Q. What about:
Garden of the world near the new city,
In the path of the hollow mountains,
It will be seized and plunged into the Vat,
Drinking by force the waters poisoned by
sulfur?
A. Relax. It's nothing to do with New York. The 'garden of the world'
is Eden, which means 'delight', which is 'plaisance' in French, which
is the name of a village on the road north from Villeneuve (= 'new
city')-sur-Lot to the Dordogne, with its caves and the village of
Aubeterre('Dawn of the World')-sur-Dronne, with its hollowed out
church and tombs...
All that the quatrain predicts is that someone ('he', not 'it') will
be immersed and poisoned at Plaisance - which of course lies in an
area that at one time was very familiar to Nostradamus during his time
at Agen.
This is one of Nostradamus's many obvious 'local' quatrains, in other
words. His horizons were a lot smaller than many people often give him
credit for. There is absolutely no excuse for imagining that all of
his predictions apply to huge world-events.
Q. Can't I believe Erika Cheetham's book or Orson Welles's film, then?
A. No, unfortunately not, especially as the film is based directly -
and rather fancifully -- on the book. Erika performed a valuable
service in making some of the original French texts available
worldwide for the first time -- but, alas, her 16th century French
wasn't up to translating them reliably, and her credulity got in the
way of her interpreting them reliably.
Q. Is there to be no Antichrist with a blue turban, then, calling down
nuclear missiles on New York, as in the film?
A. Not if Nostradamus himself is to be believed. For him, the target
of the Antichrist was always going to be *Europe* -- and, moreover, he
would eventually be defeated.
A. No. He never mentions New York City at all. Nor 'York', for that
matter.
Q. But he mentions America, surely?
A. Only once -- at quatrain X.66, which you can check for yourself on
the websites listed below. Apart from that, he himself insists in his
covering letter to King Henri II that his prophecies are mainly about
Europe, North Africa and Asia Minor. Only two other of his place-names
fall outside that area.
Q. But what about the famous 'Fire from the sky hitting the New City
at 45 degrees' prediction at VI.97?
A. New York City is not at 45 degrees latitude (it's all of 300 miles
to the south), and the New City (as ever in Nostradamus) is
Villeneuve-sur-Lot in France ('Villeneuve', like 'Naples', *means*
'new city') -- which IS roughly at 45 degrees.
Q. But couldn't Nostradamus's 'Five and forty' mean mean '40.5'?
A. No. The decimal place system had not yet been invented in
Nostradamus's day. It was simply a perfectly ordinary way of saying
'45'.
Q. But what about all the Nostradamus quatrains that people keep
posting here?
A. Virtually all of them are either
(a) badly corrupt, and deliberately twisted to fit the events
(b) hopeless mistranslations, deliberately twisted to fit the
events, or
(c) pure inventions, and not by Nostradamus at all.
Q. What about "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two
brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great
leader will succumb", "The third big war will begin when the big city
is burning" - Nostradamus 1654." ?
A. None of this was written by Nostradamus -- and he would have been
... er... 150 years old in 1654! If you doubt it, ask whoever
sent it to you for the verse-number and/or the original French.
Q. What about "In the year of the new century and nine months, from the
sky will come a great king of terror...the sky will burn at 45
degrees. Fire approaches the great new city...In the city of York
there will be great collapse, twin brothers. Torn apart by chaos while
the fortresses fall, the great leader will succumb; the third big war
will come when the big city is burning."
A. It's a garbled mixture of carefully selected lines from two
different Nostradamus quatrains (X.72, which in the original doesn't
even mention a 'King of Terror' -- see third website listed below --
and is about *1999* [!!]; and VI.79, whose 'new city' on 45 degrees is
Villeneuve in SW France, not New York, which is on 40 degrees 40
minutes) plus a bunch of other lines that are not by Nostradamus at
all.
Anybody can garble quotations like that -- even with the Bible...
Er... "And he went and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5). Go, and do thou
likewise (Luke 10:37)."
Q. How about: "Earth-shaking fire from the center of the earth.
Will cause the towers around the New City to shake,
Two great rocks for a long time will make war,
And then Arethusa will color a new river red. "
A. A more reliable (and artistic) translation of I.87 (which doesn't
mention towers at all) would read:
Earth-shaking fires from the world's centre roar:
About Villeneuve* the earth shall be a-quiver.
Two leaders long shall wage a fruitless war,
Till Arethusa reddens a new river.
* = 'New City
Line 3 is in fact based on a French expression ('faire la guerre aux
rochers' -- 'to make war on the rocks') which in fact means 'to
struggle fruitlessly'. 'Deux grands' means 'two nobles'.
No obvious connection with New York!
Q. What about:
Garden of the world near the new city,
In the path of the hollow mountains,
It will be seized and plunged into the Vat,
Drinking by force the waters poisoned by
sulfur?
A. Relax. It's nothing to do with New York. The 'garden of the world'
is Eden, which means 'delight', which is 'plaisance' in French, which
is the name of a village on the road north from Villeneuve (= 'new
city')-sur-Lot to the Dordogne, with its caves and the village of
Aubeterre('Dawn of the World')-sur-Dronne, with its hollowed out
church and tombs...
All that the quatrain predicts is that someone ('he', not 'it') will
be immersed and poisoned at Plaisance - which of course lies in an
area that at one time was very familiar to Nostradamus during his time
at Agen.
This is one of Nostradamus's many obvious 'local' quatrains, in other
words. His horizons were a lot smaller than many people often give him
credit for. There is absolutely no excuse for imagining that all of
his predictions apply to huge world-events.
Q. Can't I believe Erika Cheetham's book or Orson Welles's film, then?
A. No, unfortunately not, especially as the film is based directly -
and rather fancifully -- on the book. Erika performed a valuable
service in making some of the original French texts available
worldwide for the first time -- but, alas, her 16th century French
wasn't up to translating them reliably, and her credulity got in the
way of her interpreting them reliably.
Q. Is there to be no Antichrist with a blue turban, then, calling down
nuclear missiles on New York, as in the film?
A. Not if Nostradamus himself is to be believed. For him, the target
of the Antichrist was always going to be *Europe* -- and, moreover, he
would eventually be defeated.
You can consult all the original verses for yourself at:
http://nosrepos.tripod.com/ (includes original texts,
literal translations, search engine, FAQ, Nostradamus's curriculum
vitae and family-tree, and an illustrated tour of the seer's Provence)
www.propheties.it/quatrainsscomparation.htm (searchable facsimiles of original editions)
http://nosrepos.tripod.com/ (includes original texts,
literal translations, search engine, FAQ, Nostradamus's curriculum
vitae and family-tree, and an illustrated tour of the seer's Provence)
www.propheties.it/quatrainsscomparation.htm (searchable facsimiles of original editions)
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